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  • Mildred Adams Williams talks about living in Fontana Village as a child in the 1940s, about how the community, especially the children of the dam workers, were insulated from the hardships of World War II, and about reunions of the Dam Kids.
  • Adams, Mildred Katie Bell: Okay, it's working. We are recording now. I have some questions but it sounds like you already know which ones you want to give me [laughs]. Mildred Adams: [laughs] KB: I am all ears. But if you could give your name again for the recording that would be great. 1 MA: I'm Mildred Adams-Williams, I'm 86 years old, I was-I came to Fontana in 1940-the end of 1942, stayed until1945, and-my life in Fontana was the greatest time in my whole life, even though I'm 86 years old. [laughs] those two years in Fontana were the best. KB: Who-did you come up with your family? MA: My family. My father came here with the TV A and-with my mother, my two sisters, and our brother. KB: Did you all come and live at the village? MA: We lived in the village, we lived about half a block up Welch Road. So I walked to school every day. KB: That's fantastic. My little sister back home actually walks to school. It's just right across the street. But-yeah-for your family, how many were there? What where there names? MA: My mother was Lucy, my father was Alexander G, my--oldest sister was Katherine, my youngest sister is Gayle, and my brother was Billy. And-Billy and 2 Adams, Mildred Katherine have died, and Gayle, my youngest sister, she's still alive and lives in Birmingham, Alabama. KB: Birmingham! Alright, yup, there we go. My best friend is from Birmingham, so I've spent a lot of time there-what was the-biggest memory that sticks out with your time here in Fontana? [pause] KB: That's a toughie MA: my memory was that I was 15-16 years old, so naturally, my mind wasn't on the war [laughs] my mind was on boyfriends [laughs] and so-I'm sure that they rationed thi:iJ.gs here, gasoline and stuff, but I never realized that. I mean, that was all left up to my mother, and she provided so we never questioned anything. We always had gasoline for my mother to take a bunch of my friends to Santeetlah Lake to go swimming. And-that was a highlight, and then- KB: What did your dad do on the dam? MA: My daddy was over the cement that's poured into the dam- KB:Ohwow MA: And-so when that was over, well then we left and he went with the railroad in Toccoa, Georgia [said like "Takaita" or "Toccata" -perhaps a town I am unfamiliar with?] KB: Did you all move to-Georgia after that? MA: Pardon? Adams, Mildred KB: Did you all move to Georgia after- MA: We moved to Georgia. We moved to Toccoa, Georgia [laughs] we were supposed to en-well, we enrolled in girls school because in Georgia, in Toccoa, boys school and girls school. And I hated it. KB: [laughs] oh no! 3 MA: So my sister was accepted because she was a big basketball player, so they had a basketball team and she was a great player. And I wasn't. I played, but I wasn't that good. And-so I begged my parents and let me move to Florida with my aunt and two cousins, and I graduated in Pensacola, Florida. KB: Pensacola- MA: And that's where I met my husband. KB:Wow.Uh- MA: -Well, while I was here-we did a lot of-we had dances on Friday night, and they all still kid me about wearing my hair in rollers of Fridays [laughs] to look good for the dance. KB: [laughs] MA: They all knew what I looked like in rollers [laughs] KB: That's fantastic MA: And the rest of the days they knew what I looked like so it didn't matter ifl had my rolls. Adams, Mildred KB: I think I scared my sister. I went up to Cincinnati to visit my sister and I think I scared her the other day wearing them in rollers. MA: In fact, later, when we came back to one ofthe reunions one of the guys does car-he does carving, and he had carved a head with rollers and gave it to me [laughs] It was Jimmy Marsh who lives in Florence, Alabama. But he hasn't been to a reunion in quite a while. This is our 29th and we hope to go to 30, anyway. That'd be great. We that were in high school, they're thinning out very fast. Either illness or death. So-we're lucky to be here. KB: We're glad you're here talking with us. It's a beautiful place, I mean, once you-for me anyway, I spent childhood in the mountains at Lake Lure. I don't know. It always calls me back. MA: Yeah, well, I love the mountains. I've always said if I'd have my favorite pick, it would be North Carolina for the mountains. [laughs] 4 KB: What were some of your first impressions--do you remember first coming to Fontana? MA: Yeah, well I did. I mean, when I saw it-and then school wasn't out up here, but it was in Tennessee, so we moved and so, naturally, I wanted to see the school kids, so I sat down on a rock at our house because most of the kids passed that way. KB: Okay MA: So there's one guy, he walked over and introduced himself and-so we got acquainted, and every day while was in the yard, and we'd sit that rock under apple trees 5 Adams, Mildred and urn-my mother said she used to look out the window and we'd sit there talking, and the next time she'd look out the window I was chasing him all over the yard [laughs] KB: [laughs] MA: And so-and then we'd go sleigh riding, and that was fun. And I always-! don't know why-my friends were mostly juniors and seniors, not my age. I was in the gth and lOth. [Simultaneously] KB: What grade-oh, the gth and 10th] MA: And so they all went sleigh riding so I asked my mother if I could go and she said "yes," but do not get on a sled. And I'm thinking-! didn't say it-I didn't answer, but in my mind I'm thinking "I won't till I get there." [laughs] so- KB: [laughs] there you go MA: So we-went down with our hands laying down on the sled, you know, guiding with their hands, but then when the twigs started popping up and hitting us in the face, we thought we'd better change routes. So we did, and so we started guiding with our feet. [laughter] KB: I can only imagine. MA: So, when I went down, I went down and hit a tree. Knocked that sled about six feet back. KB: Ohmy gosh Adams, Mildred MA: So I was straddling a tree, so I thought everybody had fallen off the mountain because it was so quiet [laughs]. So I lay there, nothing was said, but I was really hurt, and I turned over, rolled over in the snow, and I managed to get up, and went home right down the middle of the street [laughs] walking terrible. KB: Oh my goodness MA: So my mother saw me coming, and I had to go up about 20 steps, so when I got to the front door and opened it, she said "Don't say a word. Go straight to your room." [laughs] KB: She knew MA: Well, she told me not to [laughs] KB: She knew [laughs] oh goodness. Did your parents talk about the dam at all? Or just-[08:40] working? 6 MA: No, not really. Now ifi'd go on a date or anything, out, I'd go home at night and go in the bedroom where my mother and father, I'd wake her up and tell her to get up, and I'd tell her everything he said, and everything I said. Besides-she didn't have to worry about me doing anything bad [laughs] because I'd come home and tell her [laughs]. So, she was a wonderful mother. KB: Sounds like it. MA: She really, I mean, everybody was crazy about her-all of our friends. Then I had a friend across the street that she was-Eloise Barton was the one that initially started this-the reunions. Adams, Mildred KB: Oh, right. 7 MA: And, she had-I probably shouldn't say this because somebody may see it if you happen to put it in the library over there and some of her kin-folks- KB: Well, its-part of what you sighed-we can keep it back, we can cut whatever you want, or it can stay in there, its up to you. MA: Well, anyway, she said-her mother was pregnant with her seventh child, and asked her what she wanted to name it. She said, you name it seven, number seven for all I care because she was the oldest and she had to take care of it [laughs] and we'd have to go over and help her do her housework and her chores in order for her to come out and do teenage things with us. KB: Right, I'm the oldest of seven. Built-in babysitter [laughs] MA: Uh huh, yep. But she was a wonderful friend, but she's dead, and her husband and-so a lot of them are already passed on, I mean, there's not many of us left. [Brief pause in conversation] KB: Time. Yep. What are some-do you have any stories that might not be so well known out there about the dam? Just memoires. Or even well known. MA: That's hard. No, but on those Friday night dances, then-after I had my hair rolled up all day, I looked good [laughs] and I was sitting on the side, and this fella came and visited somebody, and now he was handsome. And I was sitting here, and my sister was on the other side, and-no, I was dancing with someone. She was sitting close to him, and he asked his cousin, who was the one in the pink sweater [points to herself], so Adams, Mildred my sister did like that for me to go to the restroom with her. So I did, and she says "he wanted to know who you were" and she went home and told mother-she said "she was dancing normal until I told her that, then she went crazy." [laughs] KB: That's fantastic [laughs] MA:[laughs] And then we walked home and he asked me ifhe could walk me horne, and I said yes but of course it was a whole group, and so we get up-well, my house was only a half a block, so we get there, and my cousin from Alabama was visiting, and he's very short, and he's my age, so he wasn't that familiar and drove that many cars, but the guy handed him his car keys said "would you go get my car" [laughs] so he went, and he almost ran in the ditch [laughs] so-but he was so cute, I tell you, but-anyway, that was a passing thing. KB: That's fantastic. Is there anything else that you can think ofthat I missed­that we missed? 8 MA: No, I tell you, I sound like one that wasn't really interested in the war, the war was going on, but I said I was a norrnal15-16 year old girl. And so I was with my parents, and my father worked on that darn for the war, then everything was taken care of, it leaves their children free to have free-and have a good time without the worries and the anxieties of all the war pressing on them. And so it was never discussed at horne. In fact it was never discussed anywhere because it was supposedly entirely secret because it was connected with Oak Ridge. It provided the water and the electrical power that made the water provide the electrical power that was generated to Oak Ridge to make the first atom bomb. In fact, Manhattan Project was this. There's a book on that. So. 9 Adams, Mildred KB: That's amazing. [13:48] Thank you so much! If you ever think of anything else, I mean, Dustin and I will be here all day long. Send other people our way. MA: [laughs] KB: [laughs] Seriously, we'd love to talk again. MA: Doris is-I mean, she knows more about it than I do. Her father was over the cafeteria, and I think she stayed longer than I did. In fact I'm probably-she probably stayed till it was over because the people-! mean, the workmen had to be fed because the workers lived-you know where the-do you know where the boats and the dock is? KB: Yep MA: That's where the workmen lived in dormitories. All the single workers lived in there. KB: And then families lived down this way? MA: Families lived here. But all the recreational stuff was over there so we walked-we had a basketball team, so we walked from here over to there to practice basketball and to play basketball, and we played basketball. We played Nantahala, I was we had Nantahala on his computer up there [gestures toward a computer on the other side of the room] but we like could never found it because it was up on the mountain and the road was only broad enough for one car. I said, if somebody did come down, they'd have to back up or we'd have to back down because we couldn't find it till after school was out. And-so- KB: So you played Nantahala? Were there any others? 10 Adams, Mildred MA: Oh we played Tenn-we played Knoxville, and some other schools. We played over in Murphy, we had-what is it they have when the teams come together? Tournaments. Tournament where different schools met and so mischief was carried on at Nantahala and so-the girls got in trouble because they didn't have a restroom to change in. They changed in a school rooms. And pictures were turned around [laughs] KB: [laughs] a hullabaloo about that MA: Yeah well, it was a lot, except this one. Fools names and faces always appear in public places. I was stupid enough to write my name. So naturally when the principal got word, I was the first one she called in. So she asked me if I had done any of the-I said "No ma'am, all I did was write my name on that building." And so she said "well who did," and I said "I'm not telling. So how about you find out from them, let them tell you." But then if she had followed me, she would have known because I-they had assembly and I went straight to the group of girls and told them that Ms. McCall knew. And so then she called them all into a classroom and went down individually, asking them. And my, my faith and confidence in people really dropped to floor level, because every one of them denied it. And the least you can do is tell the truth and accept your punishment. But, they didn't. But one got-suspended for three or four days, I don't know. And how it was found out, I don't know about either, so [laughs] KB: Tis a mystery MA: Yeah KB: Now that part earlier when we were talking about-you weren't sure about it being recorded. Do you want me to keep that on there? I can send you a transcript later. 11 Adams, Mildred MA: I don't think I said anything about the names KB: I don't think you did either. Okay, so we're all good. Just double checking. Thank you so much, MA: Uhhuh. KB: Enjoy the rest of your time here MA: Thank you dear. I'm glad to have met you Katie. KB: Glad to meet you. MA: Is it Katie or Kate? KB: Katie MA: Yeah, "Katie" is sweeter KB: [laughs] Have a good day. MA: You too END OF INTERVIEW Katie E. Bell 12/5/2014
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  • Mildred Adams Williams talks about living in Fontana Village as a child in the 1940s, about how the community, especially the children of the dam workers, were insulated from the hardships of World War II, and about reunions of the Dam Kids.
  • Adams, Mildred Katie Bell: Okay, it's working. We are recording now. I have some questions but it sounds like you already know which ones you want to give me [laughs]. Mildred Adams: [laughs] KB: I am all ears. But if you could give your name again for the recording that would be great. 1 MA: I'm Mildred Adams-Williams, I'm 86 years old, I was-I came to Fontana in 1940-the end of 1942, stayed until1945, and-my life in Fontana was the greatest time in my whole life, even though I'm 86 years old. [laughs] those two years in Fontana were the best. KB: Who-did you come up with your family? MA: My family. My father came here with the TV A and-with my mother, my two sisters, and our brother. KB: Did you all come and live at the village? MA: We lived in the village, we lived about half a block up Welch Road. So I walked to school every day. KB: That's fantastic. My little sister back home actually walks to school. It's just right across the street. But-yeah-for your family, how many were there? What where there names? MA: My mother was Lucy, my father was Alexander G, my--oldest sister was Katherine, my youngest sister is Gayle, and my brother was Billy. And-Billy and 2 Adams, Mildred Katherine have died, and Gayle, my youngest sister, she's still alive and lives in Birmingham, Alabama. KB: Birmingham! Alright, yup, there we go. My best friend is from Birmingham, so I've spent a lot of time there-what was the-biggest memory that sticks out with your time here in Fontana? [pause] KB: That's a toughie MA: my memory was that I was 15-16 years old, so naturally, my mind wasn't on the war [laughs] my mind was on boyfriends [laughs] and so-I'm sure that they rationed thi:iJ.gs here, gasoline and stuff, but I never realized that. I mean, that was all left up to my mother, and she provided so we never questioned anything. We always had gasoline for my mother to take a bunch of my friends to Santeetlah Lake to go swimming. And-that was a highlight, and then- KB: What did your dad do on the dam? MA: My daddy was over the cement that's poured into the dam- KB:Ohwow MA: And-so when that was over, well then we left and he went with the railroad in Toccoa, Georgia [said like "Takaita" or "Toccata" -perhaps a town I am unfamiliar with?] KB: Did you all move to-Georgia after that? MA: Pardon? Adams, Mildred KB: Did you all move to Georgia after- MA: We moved to Georgia. We moved to Toccoa, Georgia [laughs] we were supposed to en-well, we enrolled in girls school because in Georgia, in Toccoa, boys school and girls school. And I hated it. KB: [laughs] oh no! 3 MA: So my sister was accepted because she was a big basketball player, so they had a basketball team and she was a great player. And I wasn't. I played, but I wasn't that good. And-so I begged my parents and let me move to Florida with my aunt and two cousins, and I graduated in Pensacola, Florida. KB: Pensacola- MA: And that's where I met my husband. KB:Wow.Uh- MA: -Well, while I was here-we did a lot of-we had dances on Friday night, and they all still kid me about wearing my hair in rollers of Fridays [laughs] to look good for the dance. KB: [laughs] MA: They all knew what I looked like in rollers [laughs] KB: That's fantastic MA: And the rest of the days they knew what I looked like so it didn't matter ifl had my rolls. Adams, Mildred KB: I think I scared my sister. I went up to Cincinnati to visit my sister and I think I scared her the other day wearing them in rollers. MA: In fact, later, when we came back to one ofthe reunions one of the guys does car-he does carving, and he had carved a head with rollers and gave it to me [laughs] It was Jimmy Marsh who lives in Florence, Alabama. But he hasn't been to a reunion in quite a while. This is our 29th and we hope to go to 30, anyway. That'd be great. We that were in high school, they're thinning out very fast. Either illness or death. So-we're lucky to be here. KB: We're glad you're here talking with us. It's a beautiful place, I mean, once you-for me anyway, I spent childhood in the mountains at Lake Lure. I don't know. It always calls me back. MA: Yeah, well, I love the mountains. I've always said if I'd have my favorite pick, it would be North Carolina for the mountains. [laughs] 4 KB: What were some of your first impressions--do you remember first coming to Fontana? MA: Yeah, well I did. I mean, when I saw it-and then school wasn't out up here, but it was in Tennessee, so we moved and so, naturally, I wanted to see the school kids, so I sat down on a rock at our house because most of the kids passed that way. KB: Okay MA: So there's one guy, he walked over and introduced himself and-so we got acquainted, and every day while was in the yard, and we'd sit that rock under apple trees 5 Adams, Mildred and urn-my mother said she used to look out the window and we'd sit there talking, and the next time she'd look out the window I was chasing him all over the yard [laughs] KB: [laughs] MA: And so-and then we'd go sleigh riding, and that was fun. And I always-! don't know why-my friends were mostly juniors and seniors, not my age. I was in the gth and lOth. [Simultaneously] KB: What grade-oh, the gth and 10th] MA: And so they all went sleigh riding so I asked my mother if I could go and she said "yes," but do not get on a sled. And I'm thinking-! didn't say it-I didn't answer, but in my mind I'm thinking "I won't till I get there." [laughs] so- KB: [laughs] there you go MA: So we-went down with our hands laying down on the sled, you know, guiding with their hands, but then when the twigs started popping up and hitting us in the face, we thought we'd better change routes. So we did, and so we started guiding with our feet. [laughter] KB: I can only imagine. MA: So, when I went down, I went down and hit a tree. Knocked that sled about six feet back. KB: Ohmy gosh Adams, Mildred MA: So I was straddling a tree, so I thought everybody had fallen off the mountain because it was so quiet [laughs]. So I lay there, nothing was said, but I was really hurt, and I turned over, rolled over in the snow, and I managed to get up, and went home right down the middle of the street [laughs] walking terrible. KB: Oh my goodness MA: So my mother saw me coming, and I had to go up about 20 steps, so when I got to the front door and opened it, she said "Don't say a word. Go straight to your room." [laughs] KB: She knew MA: Well, she told me not to [laughs] KB: She knew [laughs] oh goodness. Did your parents talk about the dam at all? Or just-[08:40] working? 6 MA: No, not really. Now ifi'd go on a date or anything, out, I'd go home at night and go in the bedroom where my mother and father, I'd wake her up and tell her to get up, and I'd tell her everything he said, and everything I said. Besides-she didn't have to worry about me doing anything bad [laughs] because I'd come home and tell her [laughs]. So, she was a wonderful mother. KB: Sounds like it. MA: She really, I mean, everybody was crazy about her-all of our friends. Then I had a friend across the street that she was-Eloise Barton was the one that initially started this-the reunions. Adams, Mildred KB: Oh, right. 7 MA: And, she had-I probably shouldn't say this because somebody may see it if you happen to put it in the library over there and some of her kin-folks- KB: Well, its-part of what you sighed-we can keep it back, we can cut whatever you want, or it can stay in there, its up to you. MA: Well, anyway, she said-her mother was pregnant with her seventh child, and asked her what she wanted to name it. She said, you name it seven, number seven for all I care because she was the oldest and she had to take care of it [laughs] and we'd have to go over and help her do her housework and her chores in order for her to come out and do teenage things with us. KB: Right, I'm the oldest of seven. Built-in babysitter [laughs] MA: Uh huh, yep. But she was a wonderful friend, but she's dead, and her husband and-so a lot of them are already passed on, I mean, there's not many of us left. [Brief pause in conversation] KB: Time. Yep. What are some-do you have any stories that might not be so well known out there about the dam? Just memoires. Or even well known. MA: That's hard. No, but on those Friday night dances, then-after I had my hair rolled up all day, I looked good [laughs] and I was sitting on the side, and this fella came and visited somebody, and now he was handsome. And I was sitting here, and my sister was on the other side, and-no, I was dancing with someone. She was sitting close to him, and he asked his cousin, who was the one in the pink sweater [points to herself], so Adams, Mildred my sister did like that for me to go to the restroom with her. So I did, and she says "he wanted to know who you were" and she went home and told mother-she said "she was dancing normal until I told her that, then she went crazy." [laughs] KB: That's fantastic [laughs] MA:[laughs] And then we walked home and he asked me ifhe could walk me horne, and I said yes but of course it was a whole group, and so we get up-well, my house was only a half a block, so we get there, and my cousin from Alabama was visiting, and he's very short, and he's my age, so he wasn't that familiar and drove that many cars, but the guy handed him his car keys said "would you go get my car" [laughs] so he went, and he almost ran in the ditch [laughs] so-but he was so cute, I tell you, but-anyway, that was a passing thing. KB: That's fantastic. Is there anything else that you can think ofthat I missed­that we missed? 8 MA: No, I tell you, I sound like one that wasn't really interested in the war, the war was going on, but I said I was a norrnal15-16 year old girl. And so I was with my parents, and my father worked on that darn for the war, then everything was taken care of, it leaves their children free to have free-and have a good time without the worries and the anxieties of all the war pressing on them. And so it was never discussed at horne. In fact it was never discussed anywhere because it was supposedly entirely secret because it was connected with Oak Ridge. It provided the water and the electrical power that made the water provide the electrical power that was generated to Oak Ridge to make the first atom bomb. In fact, Manhattan Project was this. There's a book on that. So. 9 Adams, Mildred KB: That's amazing. [13:48] Thank you so much! If you ever think of anything else, I mean, Dustin and I will be here all day long. Send other people our way. MA: [laughs] KB: [laughs] Seriously, we'd love to talk again. MA: Doris is-I mean, she knows more about it than I do. Her father was over the cafeteria, and I think she stayed longer than I did. In fact I'm probably-she probably stayed till it was over because the people-! mean, the workmen had to be fed because the workers lived-you know where the-do you know where the boats and the dock is? KB: Yep MA: That's where the workmen lived in dormitories. All the single workers lived in there. KB: And then families lived down this way? MA: Families lived here. But all the recreational stuff was over there so we walked-we had a basketball team, so we walked from here over to there to practice basketball and to play basketball, and we played basketball. We played Nantahala, I was we had Nantahala on his computer up there [gestures toward a computer on the other side of the room] but we like could never found it because it was up on the mountain and the road was only broad enough for one car. I said, if somebody did come down, they'd have to back up or we'd have to back down because we couldn't find it till after school was out. And-so- KB: So you played Nantahala? Were there any others? 10 Adams, Mildred MA: Oh we played Tenn-we played Knoxville, and some other schools. We played over in Murphy, we had-what is it they have when the teams come together? Tournaments. Tournament where different schools met and so mischief was carried on at Nantahala and so-the girls got in trouble because they didn't have a restroom to change in. They changed in a school rooms. And pictures were turned around [laughs] KB: [laughs] a hullabaloo about that MA: Yeah well, it was a lot, except this one. Fools names and faces always appear in public places. I was stupid enough to write my name. So naturally when the principal got word, I was the first one she called in. So she asked me if I had done any of the-I said "No ma'am, all I did was write my name on that building." And so she said "well who did," and I said "I'm not telling. So how about you find out from them, let them tell you." But then if she had followed me, she would have known because I-they had assembly and I went straight to the group of girls and told them that Ms. McCall knew. And so then she called them all into a classroom and went down individually, asking them. And my, my faith and confidence in people really dropped to floor level, because every one of them denied it. And the least you can do is tell the truth and accept your punishment. But, they didn't. But one got-suspended for three or four days, I don't know. And how it was found out, I don't know about either, so [laughs] KB: Tis a mystery MA: Yeah KB: Now that part earlier when we were talking about-you weren't sure about it being recorded. Do you want me to keep that on there? I can send you a transcript later. 11 Adams, Mildred MA: I don't think I said anything about the names KB: I don't think you did either. Okay, so we're all good. Just double checking. Thank you so much, MA: Uhhuh. KB: Enjoy the rest of your time here MA: Thank you dear. I'm glad to have met you Katie. KB: Glad to meet you. MA: Is it Katie or Kate? KB: Katie MA: Yeah, "Katie" is sweeter KB: [laughs] Have a good day. MA: You too END OF INTERVIEW Katie E. Bell 12/5/2014

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